These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us

Not Just Bikes11 HN recommenders · 2023–2026
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Not Just Bikes explains how SUVs and light trucks have grown in size and share of US sales, and why that is dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists and city life. He covers the regulatory loopholes, such as fuel economy rules and the chicken tax, that favored them.

It is HN's default link whenever vehicle size comes up, with commenters recommending it for the history of the light-truck loophole and the safety effects of tall bumpers.

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20 comments from Hacker News

@throw0101a2023 · in “Pickup Trucks: From Workhorse to Joyride”

> Article didn't mention CAFE (which is the reason for larger sizes) nor chicken tax (which makes, even if they qualified under CAFE, foreign small trucks economically non-viable). I was pointed to the article from the just-posted Not Just Bikes video "These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us", which does go over those things: * [VIDEO] The point of the Axios article, which comes up at the 25m25s point in the NJB video, goes towards the point that the pickup truck has actually become less practical over the decades. And to the idea that most folks would be better served with a station wagon or perhaps a minivan. Trucks have gone from the cargo bed being >60% of the usable length (ignoring the engine), to the (crew) cab being >60% of the useable length. Pickup trucks gone from thing-haulers to people-haulers, in which case, why bother with that form factor?

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@vanilla_nut2023 · in “Pickup Trucks: From Workhorse to Joyride”

Not Just Bikes video on the same subject today: [VIDEO] It's crazy to see how much trucks have blown up in the last few years. They clog up parking lots, barely fit in parking garages (let alone personal garages), blind me at night with their too-high too-bright headlights, and completely block cross-street vision for anything except other trucks when they park on the street. A complete failure of US govt regulation. At this point I hope gas prices go through the roof and punish these truck owners for their selfish decisionmaking.

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@estebank2023 · in “Pedestrian Traffic Fatalities by State: 2022 Preliminary Data”

Not Just Bikes just released a very relevant video about the very real problems that SUVs and modern trucks have on urban environments. [VIDEO]

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@eska2023 · in “Building a city optimized for bikes is a choice”

As a European I was really surprised why SUVs are so popular in the US, making biking extremely dangerous. This documentary was quite eye-opening for me: [VIDEO] Similarly in Germany we’re building a new Autobahn in the middle of a city (Berlin) under extreme costs, while still neglecting investment in trains, because we’re a car country.

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@VoodooJuJu2023 · in “These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us”

I can't listen to videos like this where the narrator uses emotional affectations in a scripted report. > [VIDEO] >They're just... BAD for cities. Really bad. > [VIDEO] >We're constantly being told that the astronomical growth in the average size of motor vehicles would infringe on the """ FREEDOMS """ of people to do whatever they want. It's cringe, unnatural, and distracts from the message. Present the logic of your argument in a neutral manner and leave it to the listener for emotional interpretation - don't force it.

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@crooked-v2023 · in “Giving kids no autonomy at all has become a parenting norm”

On that note, there's the video essay "These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us" [VIDEO] , which includes various statistics and some striking visual examples of the absolutely absurd grill heights of modern production vehicles.

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@pastacacioepepe2023 · in “SUVs more dangerous to cyclists than other cars, study suggests”

Just do yourself a favour and watch this video[0], you might learn why SUVs and in general cars with a taller bumper height are more dangerous. .0: [VIDEO]

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@kinjba112023 · in “Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks”

Not Just Bikes, a YouTuber made a video about increasing vehicle sizes in the US and why you may be interested in [VIDEO]

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@m0002023 · in “Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks”

These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us [1] explains in detail how "trucks" overtook "cars" as the most popular vehicle in the US, and legislation that lead to that. (Quotes because the words refer to the legal definition of trucks/cars.) [1] [VIDEO]

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@jterrys2023 · in “Chevy Bolt EV and Bolt EUV production is ending this year”

But that's not at all the reason why. Even the article explains it. They sold well but Chevrolet's quality control is bad. They lost money because of recalls and lack of good control processes to make these cars. They ran a cost benefit analysis and said, "fuck it, we'll continue making shittier cars". It also doesn't help that many U.S manufacturers opt into building Trucks and SUVs to avoid emission regulations: [VIDEO]

@Cntrl-Frk2023 · in “An auto CEO came close to saying the right thing about heavy EV batteries”

As presented by 'Not Just Bikes' [1] the heavy truck trend has been going for some time. The legislation around larger trucks is different and has a stronger profit motive. Curious to see an exec talking about the trend as a negative. [1] [VIDEO]

@rurounijones2023 · in “Weight-based motor vehicle tax”

> That's the first time I hear this argument. SUVs and the like exploit a loophole in various standards like fuel efficiency requirements because they are not "cars" but "Light trucks" and therefore those standards don't apply to them; which makes them cheaper to design and build for automotive companies. The "Light trucks" category was supposed to be used for light commercial vehicles, not personal vehicles but then the law of unintended consequences had a love-child with profit seeking corporations and their linguistic games. Literally the only reason SUVs and trucks became popular is because the automotive manufacturers could make more money doing it that way and convinced the consumers to buy them. NotJustBikes did a good intro video on the subject. * [LINK] * [VIDEO]

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@turquoisevar2023 · in “Tesla Has a Design Problem”

I’m not sure how it relates to passenger safety regulations, but it is true that in the US there is a lower set of fuel efficiency and safety requirements for light trucks. And SUVs are classified as light trucks, hence the push by manufacturers for people to buy SUVs. Not Just Bikes has a pretty extensive video on it: [VIDEO]

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@toomuchtodo2024 · in “In a win for the climate (and safety), urban US speed limits are dropping”

How would you force automakers to do so if Congress or executive branch agencies won’t change light vehicle and truck regulations? Some change is happening, albeit slowly (with regards to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways). [VIDEO] [LINK]

@socksy2024 · in “Cars suck, man”

SUVs are pushed by manufacturers due to their relative lack of regulation in the US, and so the more money they can make from them. Safety and car seat sizes have nothing to do with it. [VIDEO]

@hayertjez2024 · in “Car Crash Deaths Involving Cannabis on the Rise”

Meanwhile cars are allowed to get bigger, heavier and thus more dangerous (SUV and Pickup trucks). See [VIDEO] Not as an excuse for a driver to take seat after drinking too much alcohol or taking cannabis. I find it a rearguard action by concentrating too much on the driver and not on the weapon (car) itself. In my opinion a more difficult but more worthwhile is to make infrastructure more safe in general.

@vfclists2024 · in “London saw a surprising benefit to ultra-low emissions zone: More active kids”

Why don't cyclists use cycle lanes - [LINK] [VIDEO] Can you think of why it is a good idea for vehicles which weigh 2000kg and more to be used to transport 90kg loads all day long at needless risk to lesser road users? Why can't the motor vehicle industry develop smaller powered vehicles sheltered from the elements for personal transport, something not much more than a 3 wheeled scooter with a canopy? As a technically aware guy does that really make sense? Motor vehicles as they are are primarily recreational vehicles and status symbols, not means of moving 100kg individuals and their handbags or briefcases if they are carrying any around town.

@CalRobert2025 · in “Accepting US car standards would risk European lives”

NotJustBikes just put out a video about this issue - [LINK] A couple years ago he also made a video about these trucks more broadly - [VIDEO] What's truly maddening is how many of these vehicles which _do not_ meet European safety standards are _already_ in Europe. Walk around Hilversum in the Netherlands and you will see plenty of Dodge Rams (mostly 1500's, but there's even a 2500 Dually usually parked on the sidewalk ("pavement "for Brits) where my kids used to go to school). They're imported under "Individual Vehicle Approval" rules, exempting them from type safety requirements, and on top of that are almost always registered as "business vehicles" (you can tell from the V plate) which means they pay an absolute pittance in tax. I moved here to get away from American kindercrushers (among other reasons) and I am profoundly concerned that Europe is being invaded by these machines. (Edit) Worth noting is that a lot of Dutch street design is based on the idea that people _can_ share space with cars in dense, low speed environments, but that assumption flies out the window when the vehicles are so large you can't even see a kid walking or biking to school. Further edit - source - [LINK] 5,000 Dodge Rams imported in to Europe in 2023 alone.

@culi2026 · in “Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%”

Here's a video I wish I could make every American watch [VIDEO] It provides a deep-dive video into the history of how we got to the situation we're in today with American cars exploding in size. It actually has its origins in Obama-era legislation for emissions standards that made an exception for "light trucks". SUVs are legally classified as light trucks so the industry has massively pushed these tanks onto the consumer promising more safety. It has led to a dramatic decrease in public safety and pedestrian deaths that is unique to the US. One contributor to these deaths is literally parents running over their own children in their own driveways. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY. The video goes over the visibility issues with these trucks, how our safety regulations fail to account for them (light trucks only need to be tested in collision with other light trucks) and also covers how modern trucks have the same carrying capacity as pickup trucks from 30 years ago (the main thing that's increased is the hull and cabin size) while being harder to use for actual work since the bed is higher offer the ground

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@genxy2026 · in “The Deadly Rise of Giant Trucks and S.U.V.s”

The Grille Trend that Kills 509 People per Year [LINK] video discussed previously [LINK] These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us [VIDEO] The original designer wanted the truck to feel like you were driving a fist, punching through the air. So we are killing people so that the driver can have an aggressive aesthetic. And the design has spread like a contagious meme, even BMWs have it now.