RSA ANIMATE: Changing Education Paradigms
Royal Society of Arts10 HN recommenders · 2011–2026
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An RSA Animate drawn from a Sir Ken Robinson talk arguing that current education systems are modeled on the industrial age. It discusses divergent thinking, standardization, and how schools disengage kids.
HN recommends it as an accessible, widely shared critique of schooling, and cites it in threads on ADHD, creativity and education reform.
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This RSA video shows some reasons why the current education systems (not only US') has the problems it has: [VIDEO]
There are many academic pieces and work on the topic such as [LINK] Obviously some of the difference will be soaked up by new professions that didn't exist before. For example here is a list of jobs that didn't exist 10 years ago [LINK] I am convinced that prosperity is being driven by trade and specialisation as put forward by Matt Ridley [LINK] Specialisation is a form of skill and so the issue is really what happens to unskilled labour. Everyone "knows" that education is a fix, but current education systems are extremely broken and closely modelled on the dawn of the industrial age [VIDEO] It will be interesting to see if the cost of living goes down since that will also greatly alleviate things. Increased automation should result in that.
I have a question for HN. At what point do you become responsible for your own education? Before, you may have not had a public library near you. Nowadays, there is too much information. Curation? Multiple MOOC's have taken the problem and squashed it. Internet Access? I'm not sure, but I remember reading that Comcast gives subsidized rates in poor income areas. Computers / Notebooks? This I'm not sure about at all. What access do people have? Assuming people have access to education, at what point are "educators" defunct? I feel as though I would not have gone to high school had these MOOC's been available. However, I did have enough personal curiosity to pursue these things. In college now, I'm not "spoon fed" anymore, it is my responsibility to do well, and seek out help if I am struggling. I am just curious where people think that line is drawn, and if it's different for everyone or not. I am for the Bar exam - for goodness's sake, we still have teachers trying to teach Creationism! One of my favorite videos on reforming education, from a very logical perspective from Sir Ken Robinson. Bonus: it's pictorially animated! [VIDEO]
I'm not sure if this a good recommendation. According to this talk: [VIDEO] ADHD are normal symptoms that occur when a creative mind has to perform dull tasks. ADHD becomes bigger and bigger problem, because today, there are much more stimulants that cause things like traditional school or work to be boring. According to the speaker, curing ADHD with pills solves the problem by reducing creative potential of a mind. A better approach would be to create an environment where people with ADHD can thrive. (Note, that I don't have any real experience with ADHD, this comment is based only on the talk).
>According to this talk: [VIDEO] ADHD are normal symptoms that occur when a creative mind has to perform dull tasks. Yes, ADHD denial is a very popular position. It has about as much backing in science as climate denial. The idea that ADHD meds reduce the "creative potential" of the mind is pure nonsense.
Here's Ken Robinson making speeder's point. [VIDEO] I was gobsmacked when I saw a teacher "diagnose" ADHD in one of her students. The fact that this is done regularly is flabbergasting.
Some of these talks (not just TED) are incredibly inspiring. I particularly love the ones that were turned into RSA Animate. [VIDEO] [LINK]
If anyone is actually surprised by the administrations intelligence - I should remind you of 3 events: - A teacher confiscates Linux CDs claiming that the student was essentially distributing illegal copyrighted software - because no software is free [1] - A system administrator was fired for installing/running seti@home on school computers. There is a lot of controversy about this case - but I read one news article (that I can't find right now) where the administration said they would have been ok with cancer research folding@home rather than searching for aliens with seti@home. This combined with the backpedaling of "oh actually he was a bad employee, stole things, and cost the school millions in extra in electricity costs!" makes me believe that they just wanted to use it as an excuse to fire him and make the position open for a friend/relative. [2]. - Or an honor roll student suspended for buying candy from another student [3]. His statuses were only restored after it caught media attention. I would go into my rant about the education system but you should just watch this video [4] [1] [LINK] [2] [LINK] [3] [LINK] [4] [VIDEO]
Most education research is about how to evaluate TEACHERS not children. If you want to help children then you're better off starting here: [VIDEO]
maybe what you are referring to: [VIDEO] which is a delightfully digestible, abridged, version of this talk: [LINK] whose transcript you can find here: [LINK] whose figures are drawn from this book: Break Point and Beyond, by George Land relevant bit: So my question to you is what percentage of the people tested of the 1,500 scored at genius level for divergent thinking. Now you need to know one more thing about them - these were kindergarten children. So what do you think? What percentage at genius level? 80? 98%. Now the thing about this was it was a longitudinal study, so they retested the same children five years later aged 8 to 10. What do you think? 50? They retested them again five years later, ages 13 to 15. You can see a trend here can't you?
An indirect response: Try this for another explanation/point of view (it's kept short and to the point): [VIDEO] (About the speaker: [LINK]
While I do think that ADHD is a real condition, I don't think that the solution is to medicate children with a very serious life changing drug that alters the core aspects of a child's personality and behavior. The true solution is to revamp our country's education system and provide a framework that can accommodate the wide variety of personalities that come into the classroom. Instead of forcing children to think one way, we should let them think the way they NATURALLY think, and flourish with their native mindset. I strongly recommend this eye-opening video for those of you who haven't already seen it: [VIDEO]
This whole premise of this story has me wearing a tin foil hat. [tldr] [LINK] Soooo many questions. so few answers. I'll start with my immediate thoughts. High dropouts are not absolutely a bad thing. In fact its pretty normal in all western schools that have zero focus on "how to learn". The "problem" is clearly earlier on in the education system, wherby students are reaching college age not knowing "how to learn", and suddenly finding its important. Next up - the cost of learning/knowledge material. I know of textbooks from the US being priced in the multi thousand dollar range (or simply not available for student purchase). "Teachers/Lecturers" aren't that important (I say that having graduated with a joint 1st from a top UK university having acquired a lot of warnings criticizing me for hardly ever attending lectures, but I wasn't skipping the material, I was skipping lecturers reading from textbooks). All that said, I am left feeling these stories are more about attacking education that provides chances for the lower classes in the US to become middle and upper classes. Nothing about this ITT tech story addresses this one way or the other. Where are the employment stats for those who successfully graduate? Where are the interviews with graduates? I just see a ton of hyperbole he said she said. And whenever I come across that I automatically assume its a political power based decision, rather than a rational "good for everyone" one. I know that all sounds a bit confused -
Ken Robinson on collaboration in education: "In the work world, collaboration and team work are essential to success; in school, it's called cheating." More here [VIDEO]
Isn't cheating a symptom of the failure in how the education system works? This^ very interesting video of Ken Robinson produced by RSA was recently posted by someone on this forum. It diagnose this problem very well. Trying to put kids in a system that is boxed due to constraints of age, time, subjects and grades is very harmful for the real development of individual kids. Kids understand this and get disengaged from the system but still have to force themselves to follow along because they are not provided with an alternative. ^ [VIDEO]
The author might like an illustrated summary of a talk given by Sir Ken Robinson about "Changing education paradigms"[0], which includes some of the essence of this article (particularly referring to studies about how many uses one person can think of for a paperclip) [0] RSA Animate: [VIDEO] [1] Full talk (55 mins): [LINK]
I wholeheartedly agree, and came out so disillusioned with the public education system that I'm struggling to decide what the right answer will be for my children. I understand that many kids are not this way, but I was the type that read physics textbooks while in elementary school. We had a mentorship program that paired kids with someone from two grades above (e.g. 1st graders with 3rd graders). My reading level was always higher than my mentors' and it made me furious (and probably insufferable). I feel like my entire time in school was spent getting it out of the way so I could study things that genuinely interested me. I would love for my children to not feel that same constraint, but instead feel free to go deeper at their own pace. I'd recommend this talk by Sir Ken Robinson on this topic generally: [VIDEO]
It’s called divergent thinking. Creativity is a form of intelligence. RSA Animate on education and changing the paradigm: [VIDEO]
I am a SWE without any degrees. :D I dropped out to... study. Yeah, our education system sucks that much. [VIDEO]
Good idea! It could be fun to try creating an RSA-esque visual explanation video instead of using canvas selection ( [VIDEO] ).