FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984)
Nicholas Marshall4 HN recommenders · 2020–2026
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The full 1984 interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB operative, in which he lays out four stages of ideological subversion. It is a long interview with G. Edward Griffin.
Cited in propaganda and disinformation threads, though some commenters present it more as a prediction of current events than established analysis.
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10 comments from Hacker News
That has several reasons. I will explain why your approach didn't work. 1: (source) Social media is doing reinforcement learning on their "lab rats". This is true for all the social media platforms. It's not like you read one fake news article, you see them non-stop: your world becomes fake news. Just like how YouTube keeps playing the same type of content. Facebook and Twitter do the same thing. Good for engagement ($), not good for society. 2: (psychology) The way the human belief system works, is to try to find evidence in favor of your own beliefs (not against). Social media reinforces your existing belief system: your political, religious but also conspiracy beliefs. Our ego doesn't like to be wrong, we like to be right (see heated debated about adults discussing religion for example). Humans aren't particular open-minded by nature, this sometimes includes scientists. This is human psychology at work. 3: (state sponsored, large budget) There are large botnets spreading fake news: including deep fakes, bogus scientific articles, using famous figures etc. It's very sophisticated psychological warfare: a day-time job for many. For instance, the son of President Kennedy made a speech about mass surveillance (facts), but in doing so he supported the whole conspiracy scene. But AI botnets spreading fake news is something many governments do. Like all mass media news, it plays on the sub-conscious level (fear), not the logical level. The entire goal of media (news) is to manipu
Well if you take that kind of stuff seriously, you really should watch the Yuri Bezmenov interviews. Yuri was a KGB defector in the 80s who was working in India and decided to defect after he fell in love with the culture of India and became disillusioned. He worked in ideological subversion of nations through propaganda: [VIDEO]
No books on Mossad? My favourite is - Deception: The invisible war between the KGB and the CIA. by Edward Jay Epstein. This is the real "Art" of Spycraft. Another must see is Yuri Bezmenov's "The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion" video : [VIDEO] You can go crazy trying to interpret this video in the light of what Epstein wrote about Deception :-)
> Having ByteDance participae in this shows the depth of the effort as ByteDance is probably one of most Western-orientated Chinese tech companies. I would go further and assert that ByteDance is a state-sanctioned Chinese psychological weapons manufacturer and covert intelligence gathering operation on an unprecedented scale which is optimized to destroy the minds of foreigners, harvest their preferences, social status, movement data, and identities. To quote Yuri Bezmenov: Most of the activity of the Department was to compile huge amount, volume of information on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion, publishers, editors, journalists, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of Parliament, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in two groups, those that would toe the Soviet foreign policy. They would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation. Those who refused the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically, come revolution. Same way, as in the small town of Hue, in South Vietnam, several thousands of Vietnamese were executed in one night when city was captured by Vietcong for only two days. And American CIA could never figure out, how could possibly Communists know each individual, where he lives, where, where to get him and would be arrested in one night, basically, arrested four hours before daw
>But there's nothing impossible about it. The claim that you can *control* people's minds via TikTok is a pretty big claim. You can influence behaviour, but what the OP is suggesting is highly outlandish and almost certainly impossible (particularly the homophobic fear that TikTok can turn kids gay). Remember that the advertising industry has been trying to control people's minds via all kinds of media for over a century, but is still only moderately successful at it. Historically, the Soviet intelligence services used to think that they were very good at spreading Communist propaganda within Western countries. In many ways they were. And yet, not many Westerners became Communists. Just look at this guy explain how successfully the Soviets are subverting US public opinion only a few years before the fall of the Berlin Wall: [VIDEO]
Here's the KGB defector's interview you're talking about, his name was Yuri Bezmenov. [VIDEO]
Yuri Bezmenov was a Soviet informant and KGB operative who defected to the United States in the early 70s who has some choice words to say on this subject, words which turned out to be more than prophetic. It is worth watching the whole interview, about 1 hour 20 minutes in which he laid out the four stages of ideological subversion” created by radical Marxists to indoctrinate and weaken nations from within. [VIDEO]
>Speaking of facts, how about you start providing your source for this hyperbole claim It is you sending out a volley non falsifiable claims as an argument that justifies the invasion. You might as well tell me that PG is behind everything, I can't disprove that. >Ironic claim given the NATO expansion What aboutism. >This is the illusion we're being sold Yeah alright. Please don't bring groupthink and cancel culture into the discussion, it's really not pertinent, you are 1 minute away from going "the west has fallen". And I agree with you that there are many things to improve, to say the least. Still, even if the Western free speech, free market, etc. is all an illusion, Ukrainians have the right to pick that rather than the russkiy mir. >We need to hold our leaders and ourselves to a higher standard than our enemies I agree. Raping, torturing, pillaging, genociding, should be unthinkable. Doing that is giving up on being human, imo. >and we're fine with entire families being wiped out with the push of a button Who's we? >not agitate against the "orcs" like they're animals Who's agitating? It seems to me that Western media has been even too kind to russians. The most terrible deeds that by sheer luck emerge and become public are quickly forgotten. >anyone paying attention I guess the only one paying attention is you, not sure what you are paying attention to tho, since you seem unable to state something even just remotely close to the fact that russians are doing something wr
You mean Ukrainians killed him? I am not sure about that. Does not make a whole lot of sense for Ukraine to kill him, since he is so unimportant compared to e. g. russian generals. Whereas if you insult Putin, the midget will of course set his hit men on people. That has been shown numerous times again and again and again. Most famous one is still Litvinenko, but remember how Anna Politkovskaya was killed, Boris Nemtsov, Alexei Navalny, Yevgeny Prigozhin and so on, and so forth. The pattern is so clear really. It sounds more like russian bots trying to engineer the narrative towards "others did it", when all the facts are way too clear. See also Yuri in the 1980s foreseeing how an asset can be manipulated by the KGB: [VIDEO] - KGB/FSB run Russia. See yesterday how Nikolai Patrushev babbled about bringing war to Europeans.
Trump is indeed effective at pillaging. The interesting thing is that Yuri explained and predicted (!) this in the 1980s: [VIDEO]