Jeff Bezos - Regret Minimization Framework

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A three-minute clip of Jeff Bezos describing his Regret Minimization Framework: imagining yourself at 80 to decide whether to leave a Wall Street job to start Amazon.

HN commenters cite it whenever someone asks whether to quit a job or start a company, as a simple decision heuristic.

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@paulsb2010 · in “Ask HN: Share encouraging advice”

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- Mark Twain "So I wanted to project myself forward to age 80 and say, 'Okay, now I’m looking back on my life. I want to have minimized the number of regrets I have.' I knew that when I was 80 I was not going to regret having tried this. I was not going to regret trying to participate in this thing called the Internet that I thought was going to be a really big deal. I knew that if I failed I wouldn’t regret that, but I knew the one thing I might regret is not ever having tried. I knew that that would haunt me every day, and so when I thought about it that way it was an incredibly easy decision. And I think that’s very good." -- Jeff Bezos, Regret Minimization Framework ( [VIDEO] )

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@webwright2010 · in “Don’t Plan to Get Rich from Your Startup”

I think everyone overestimates their ability to influence the outcome. 85% of venture backed startups are no longer operating in 3 years. Startups are fragile critters, and those 85% presumably were larger high-aptitude and hardworking folk who all THOUGHT they'd at least make it the the "walking dead" group (which presumably makes up most of the remaining 15%). A lottery is probably a bad analogy. It's probably more like a couple of hands of blackjack. I think your first point is the winner. See Bezos' Regret Minimization Framework: [VIDEO]

@newhouseb2010 · in “Ask HN: anyone leave a high paying job to work at a startup?”

From my answer on Quora ( [LINK] ) Jeff Bezos' Regret Minimization Framework: "...it really was a decision that I had to make for myself, and the framework I found which made the decision incredibly easy was what I called -- which only a nerd would call -- a "regret minimization framework." So, I wanted to project myself forward to age 80 and say, "Okay, now I'm looking back on my life. I want to have minimized the number of regrets I have." I knew that when I was 80 I was not going to regret having tried this. I was not going to regret trying to participate in this thing called the Internet that I thought was going to be a really big deal. I knew that if I failed I wouldn't regret that, but I knew the one thing I might regret is not ever having tried. I knew that that would haunt me every day, and so, when I thought about it that way it was an incredibly easy decision. And, I think that's very good. If you can project yourself out to age 80 and sort of think, "What will I think at that time?" it gets you away from some of the daily pieces of confusion. You know, I left this Wall Street firm in the middle of the year. When you do that, you walk away from your annual bonus. That's the kind of thing that in the short-term can confuse you, but if you think about the long-term then you can really make good life decisions that you won't regret later." See: [VIDEO] A big payout is definitely a large factor in jumping ship if you're arrogant enough to believe that you can attain suc

@fttechfounder2011 · in “I quit my 100k a year job to learn programming from scratch. Ask me anything. ”

This answer is in response to a question about why I left my job. The question was deleted before I posted my reply below: --------- It came down to asking myself these questions: * Jeff Bezo's Regret Minimization Framework Q: What will I regret when I'm 80 years old? What am I going to regret more: taking a shot at a dream and failing, or never having taken a shot at all? ( [VIDEO] ) A: Taking a shot and failing. * Future Utility Framework Q: What's the realistic best case scenario end game? I.e. If I look at someone who's 15 years ahead of my in the same career path and has done a good job of getting promoted, recognized and rewarded, am I happy doing what he's doing in 15 years? A: No. * Money and risk Q: I'm 25 with 3 years of work experience at a major international bank, what's going to happen if I screw this up and waste 3 years of my life? A: I'll get a job at 28. I'll probably make less money, but 3 years of work experience isn't too bad. Q: What if you never get such a sweet job? USD 100k is a lot of money for a 25 year old! A: I don't have kids, I don't have a mortgage, I don't have debts and I do have a enough savings to tide me over for a few years. It means that I won't live with the same degree of financial freedom (e.g. watching my spending, going on fewer holidays, eating out less, etc.) but it's a price I'm prepared to pay. For most people, the last few questions are going to be the most important. Being relatively young, not having liabilities and instead h

@fttechfounder2011 · in “What should I do with my life?”

mcbeth, We have a similar background, and in similar situation I left my job to go for it. I'll share my story here: After graduating from university, I joined HSBC's international management program where I worked for 3 and a half years. I was living the dream: getting paid a six figure package, living in a nice house and working decent hours (i.e. I had most evenings and weekends free and about 6 weeks of holiday a year). In a large organization like HSBC, getting work done takes time and a lot of consensus building. Sometimes the pace got frustrating but this was compensated by getting to travel the world. As part of the international management program, I moved to a different country about every 2 years to work in a different part of the bank. Traveling when you're young is exciting. I didn't have a girlfriend and in the short time I was with the bank, I lived first in London for 2 months, before moving to Shanghai for a year and a half and finally to Mexico City for two years. 3 months ago, at 25 years old, I left my job to start learning to code from scratch and start a start up. I left for some of the reasons you gave: politics was getting worse and I found myself taking more time trying to convince different parties and teams of my work than the time I took to do the work itself. But I didn't leave because the bank was so much more political than it was when I had started, I left because I wasn't prepared to put up with the politics and the red tape anymore. The diffe

@eb0072012 · in “Ask HN: I’m not cut out to be a programmer. What are my alternatives?”

wow you have lots of good feedback here in this thread... probably still requires you to parse through it all though... i have a feeling though this question has been asked multiple times by different people on HN i'll just add some thoughts (though it will likely be redundant to large degree) because I empathize with anyone who's seeking for guidance on life decisions (I know what it's like) 1) agree that you should think about product management where technical and social skills combined can be powerful but I'd recommend you do (2) below first 2) based on how you've described your state, inclined to agree that you should take a real hard look at what is the source of discontent with your life and not jump to conclusions that it's being an engineer (as suggested, it can be the project, company, other parts of your life, lack of challenge or growth, etc)... maybe it would help to take a vacation to an international destination in the developing world & rough it (no nice hotels or restaurants etc), live among the local people and think (suggested to get you out of your comfort zone) 3) people who say they are "bored" (even if just trying to simplify the communication in summary form) or describe a lack of passion for anything as an alternative... frankly, those are warning signs that you should iterate on (2) above for a bit. no one can tell you this though, you'll need to be in tune and aware enough to search your own gut for what's going on inside you 4) though self-help fol

@jnp2013 · in “How we convinced angels to invest in our porn startup”

Jeff Bezos' regret minimization framework: [VIDEO] We genuinely wanted to fix the UX problems associated with porn.

@ledon2013 · in “Smart Things Jeff Bezos Has Said”

Hearing Bezos's regret minimization framework was one of the things that helped to make an easier decision to leave my job to start a company (I left Amazon, ironically). Here is the original video which this quote is taken from: [VIDEO]

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@jey2014 · in “Ask HN: Should I quit my job if I am not learning?”

Jeff Bezos had some thoughts on this: [VIDEO] Personally, I think you should get out of there before your brain turns to mush and falls out. Other posters are telling you to instead perceive it as a blessing to work on these things that you find mundane and boring, but I strongly disagree. To quote Paul Graham, "If you're worried that your current job is rotting your brain, it probably is." Don't quit, but start applying/interviewing for a new job. You will need to have a good explanation for why you're looking for a new job so quickly after starting, but that's doable. You're in a pretty strong position if you start interviewing for new jobs before quitting -- at least that makes it clear that you weren't fired, and it'll sound credible when you tell them that you're just not challenged enough by your current job.

@npostolovski2016 · in “Ask HN: What should I plan to do on a 6 month sabbatical?”

This question is eerily similar to my current situation: hoping to go on a 6 month sabbatical starting in 2017. My goal is to, basically, work on things that I've always dreamed of doing but haven't pursued because of the demands of everyday life. See Jeff Bezos' regret minimization framework for inspiration: [VIDEO] . Imagine yourself at 80. What would you regret not doing?

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@drawkbox2018 · in “Ask HN: Do you have the courage to abandon your high paying job?”

Use Jeff Bezos 'Regret Minimization Framework' to decide [1]. Basically, when you are 80, will you regret having tried and possibly failed or regret having not tried at all? Granted you aren't going to be Amazon probabilistically but it will definitely make your life more interesting and put you in control of it and fully responsible for it. Personally I'd rather try and succeed or fail on my own than just be a cog in the machine and possibly be on a ship that sinks out of my control or merely latching onto success. I'd rather be the captain whether she sinks or sails smoothly, hopefully the latter. I went fully independent six years ago, originally just planning on a year, and there have been times of awesome and times of rough waters, but she is still sailing and it has been an adventure I know I won't regret having embarked on. Three of my six years are the highest revenues/income I have had annually in my career but one was the lowest ever, prepare for more volatility if you do. If you do, my recommendation is make good habits early, cut your costs, be disciplined, aim for revenues as early as possible, work hard but work smart, be sure to take time off, and especially enjoy your successes and learn from your failures. Ship on the regular, and if you aren't, kick it in gear to go all in. [1] [VIDEO]

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@drawkbox2018 · in “How to Make a Big Decision”

Jeff Bezos "Regret Minimization Framework" [1] A regret minimization framework "I wanted to project myself forward to age 80 and say, 'Okay, now I'm looking back on my life. I want to have minimized the number of regrets I have,'" explains Bezos. "I knew that when I was 80 I was not going to regret having tried this. I was not going to regret trying to participate in this thing called the Internet that I thought was going to be a really big deal. I knew that if I failed I wouldn't regret that, but I knew the one thing I might regret is not ever having tried. I knew that that would haunt me every day, and so, when I thought about it that way it was an incredibly easy decision." [1] [VIDEO]

@hartleybrody2020 · in “Ask HN: Name one idea that changed your life”

Jeff Bezos has a great interview where he talks about his decision to leave his cushy Wall Street job and start a website selling books. He talks about how he used a "regret minimization framework" where he projects himself into the future and imagines which decision he would regret the least. I have used this technique multiple times myself to help with otherwise fraught or overwhelming decisions, and I think it's a great way to shift your frame of reference. Interview where he describes it here: [VIDEO]

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@esafak2024 · in “The Existential Relief of Having Children”

Because I know such people, and it is inconceivable that one would notice one's childless status only before dying. Why does it seem strange to act so as to minimize future regret? That's just common sense. This principle guided Jeff Bezos, for one: [VIDEO]