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Plain Text - Dylan Beattie - NDC Copenhagen 2022

NDC Conferences5 HN recommenders · 2022–2025
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Dylan Beattie's conference talk explores the history and mess behind plain text: encodings, Unicode, line endings and the many ways text goes wrong. It argues that the tidy idea of plain text hides a lot of complexity underneath everyday software.

HN people recommend it as an entertaining, surprisingly deep talk that comes up whenever encodings, mojibake or Unicode are discussed.

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@0xFEE1DEAD2022 · in “Mojibake”

Just yesterday I watched a talk from NDC Copenhagen by Dylan Beattie about this exact topic. The story which stood out the most was this [VIDEO] The whole talk was an interesting watch tho.

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@mikece2022 · in “Ask HN: What is the best conference talk you've seen in 2022?”

"Best" is subjective but one of the most interesting talks I've seen this year is one on Plain Text: [VIDEO] And although it's almost ten years old, Gary Bernhardt's "Birth and Death of Javascript" is one I re-watch at least twice a year and frequently recommend (and it's unreal how prescient he is in this talk -- I just hope the references to the Bay Area exclusion zone and us all running for our lives isn't as accurate as his prediction of the raise of WASM): [LINK]

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@spudlyo2023 · in “Unicode is harder than you think”

If you found this essay interesting, you owe it to yourself to check out this super entertaining talk "Plain Text"[0] from NDC 2022 by Dylan Beattie. Rabbit hole warning: This video caused me to lose an entire Sunday watching Dylan's talks on YouTube, which are uniformly awesome. [0]: [VIDEO]

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@DanHulton2023 · in “NSO Group iPhone Zero-Click, Zero-Day Exploit Captured in the Wild”

On plain text -- in short, it doesn't exist: [VIDEO] And there have definitely been UTF-8 parsing bugs before and likely will again.

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@ReleaseCandidat2024 · in “Write Plain Text Files (2022)”

> Every device, including ones long gone, and ones not invented yet, can read and edit plain text. [...] But plain text? Always. Everywhere. Somebody needs to watch "Plain Text" (Dylan Beattie, NDC Copenhagen 2022) [VIDEO] For example, have fun with ISO 8859-2 vs. Windows 1250. And add Windows 1252 for giggles. And for the ASCII-only persons: there still is EBCDIC.

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@yochem2024 · in “Llms.txt”

Yes, and .py is "plain" text too. The extension however helps with signaling the intend of the file. Also, there is something to say for the argument "there is no such thing as plain text" [0] [0]: [VIDEO]

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@tpmoney2025 · in “The macOS LC_COLLATE hunt: Or why does sort order differently on macOS and Linux (2020)”

Not Tom Scott, but Dylan Beattie has done a handful of interesting talks[1] effectively on "there's no such thing as plain text" which in part covers this sort of thing. In fact, I think your Danish cities list is actually one of his examples. [1]: [VIDEO]

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