8. The Sumerians - Fall of the First Cities

Fall of Civilizations7 HN recommenders · 2020–2023
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Episode 8 of the Fall of Civilizations podcast, a roughly two and a half hour history of the Sumerians. It covers their mysterious origins, invention of writing and mathematics, great early cities and eventual collapse, with myths, proverbs and recreated music.

HN commenters strongly recommend it as an audiobook-length, deeply informative introduction to Sumer and early Mesopotamian civilization.

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@oblio2020 · in “1% of farms operate 70% of world's farmland”

> The producer of "civilization and culture"? In what sense? Farms produce the goods we eat, how does that lead to culture and civilization? I'm not that knowledgeable at history - if that is the case, then I'd really like to read more about it. Well, I recommend any history book about the Fertile Crescent and Ancient Egypt. If you have 1 hour, hear/listen to this podcast/video: [VIDEO]

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@wanderingstan2021 · in “How to write cuneiform”

I went down the cuneiform rabbit hole last summer after listening to the excellent “Fall of Civilizations Podcast” episode about Sumer: [VIDEO] This led to many of Finkel’s videos and the book mentioned in this post. (So far I’m not too impressed with the book, TBH.)

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@andyxor2021 · in “Archaeologists discover 4k-year-old ancient city in Iraqi desert”

this is just 30km from Ur, I thought Akkad capital was more to the north , in the traditionally Akkadian territory [LINK] btw this is great series on that time (and what preceded it) "The Sumerians - Fall of the First Cities" [VIDEO]

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@mannerheim2021 · in “Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids”

Arizona is very hot, very arid, and also very favourable for agriculture, with significant production of lettuce and cotton. As long as you can make sure your crops get water through irrigation (which ancient Mesopotamians were very skilled at), your crops will thrive. In fact, the heat and sunlight actually provide a bit of an advantage. However, a number of factors eventually led to the collapse of the civilisations in the fertile crescent. One factor has been the region getting warmer and drier, which poses a challenge even with irrigation. As an example of how different the climate is now from what it was then, Uruk used to be on a channel of the Euphrates, but now that riverbed is completely dried up. Meanwhile, Ur was once a coastal city, but is now ten miles inland. Another factor for the collapse of these civilisations is that the process of irrigation accumulated salt in the soil. The very process that made complex civilisation possible in this part of the world eventually contributed to its end. I recommend the Fall of Civilizations podcast for more on this and other societies: [VIDEO]

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@miltondts2021 · in “The sea people: Alexander the Great trod in the footsteps of forgotten Greeks”

And one more resource with the history of many civilizations: [LINK] I especially enjoyed [VIDEO] , as I had no idea the first cities were already so advanced and lasted for so many centuries. EDIT: fixed youtube link.

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@miltondts2021 · in “Ask HN: What is the best podcast you listened to in 2021?”

Fall of civilizations has the history of many: [LINK] I especially enjoyed [VIDEO] , as I had no idea the first cities were already so advanced and lasted for so many centuries.

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@mwattsun2022 · in “Why are there 360° in a circle?”

I clipped this from Fall of Civilizations - The Sumerians - Fall of the First Cities. I'm not sure if they got it right, but it sounds good. (not monetizing, so not promoting) [LINK] Full show [VIDEO]

@davedx2022 · in “Ancient civilisation under eastern Turkey estimated to be 11k-13k years old”

Yeah, the sea level rise thing is one explanation for why Sumerian is a language isolate. This YouTube series is a great deep dive into it all: [VIDEO]

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@wanderingstan2022 · in “Drone photos reveal an early Mesopotamian city made of marsh islands”

If you’re interested in the history of Lagash and the wider Sumerian civilization, I highly recommend the _Fall of Civilizations Podcast_ episode 8. [VIDEO] At 2.5 hours it’s more like an audiobook. During the pandemic this was my gateway into learning a ton about this ancient civilization, when humanity first began to write and thus be able to communicate with us thousands of years later.

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@Strom2022 · in “Ur”

Fall of Civilizations is absolutely amazing stuff, I double recommend it. It has an episode that covers this specific topic as well - [VIDEO]

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@Strom2022 · in “Ur”

It's a great episode and I also recommend it. For those who wish to have something visual the better link would be [VIDEO]

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@wanderingstan2023 · in “Discovery of 4,500-year-old palace in Iraq may hold key to ancient civilisation”

Related: I was introduced to Sumerian history by this excellent episode of the “Fall of Civilizations Podcast”: [VIDEO]

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