Joe Armstrong & Jeremy Ruston - Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang | Code Mesh LDN 18

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Joe Armstrong, creator of Erlang, and Jeremy Ruston, creator of TiddlyWiki, discuss hypertext, Ted Nelson's idea of intertwingled knowledge, and a way to combine TiddlyWiki with Erlang. It is a Code Mesh LDN 2018 talk.

Recommended in note-taking and personal wiki threads for its enthusiasm about granular, densely linked notes and TiddlyWiki.

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@jodrellblank2020 · in “Managing my personal knowledge base”

Joe Armstrong of Erlang fame was a fan of Tiddly Wiki, and there's a video of the Tiddly Wiki creator and him enthusing about it here [VIDEO]

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@vector_spaces2020 · in “This page is a truly naked, brutalist HTML quine”

If you're interested in quines, see also TiddlyWiki[0] (and specifically this[1] great talk by its creator Jeremy Ruston and the late creator of Erlang, Joe Armstrong) [0] [LINK] [1] [VIDEO]

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@a_c2020 · in “Show HN: A simple way to make HTML websites”

While not javascript free, suggest one to look at [LINK] for what a single html file can achieve. A talk given by joe armstrong (author of erlang) [VIDEO] on it

@jodrellblank2021 · in “Launch HN: Dendron (YC W21) – Structured note-taking for developers and teams”

Things which are deeply intertwingled. Joe Armstrong (Erlang) gave at least one talk about it, available on YouTube: [VIDEO] The key points were that Wikipedia style wikis force you into a page-at-a-time model. And TiddlyWiki uses more like a post-it-note sized amount of information. Wikipedia has a few links, TiddlyWiki items would have dense links to other notes. Then the experience of reading something would be like a 'choose your own adventure' book - click on a link and you don't get whisked away to a new page with all the context lost, you get the next note appearing below. It's building on the work of Ted Nelson and the early HyperText dreams from before the Web. As you click and explore, you build up a longer page of just the ideas and content you want, and don't have to write huge topic-wide essays and browse huge topic-wide pages all in one go. He called it "the correct level of granularity, deeply intertwingled". There were probably other important points I've forgotten. Relevantly for Dendron, the slide I've clicked onto in the YouTube has a quote: " Hierarchical and sequential structures are usually forced and artificial. People keep pretending they can make things hierarchical, categorizable and sequential when they can't " - Ted Nelson, 1974.

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@jodrellblank2024 · in “Show HN: Eidos – Offline alternative to Notion”

Joe Armstrong of Erlang fame was a big fan of tiddlywiki, and he met up with the creator to give a talk together about tiddlywiki: [VIDEO] “Joe Armstrong & Jeremy Ruston - Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang | Code Mesh LDN 18”