The Talk Show: Remote From WWDC 2020

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John Gruber interviews Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak after WWDC 2020 about the Mac transition to Apple silicon, macOS Big Sur and iOS 14.

Cited for Federighi's statement that Apple silicon Macs will run other operating systems via virtualization rather than direct booting.

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@Asmod4n2020 · in “Introducing the next generation of Mac”

During WWDC they said you can't use any other operating System at boot time, only through virtual Machines. Update: here a podcast with Craig Federighi on that matter [VIDEO]

@shaicoleman2020 · in “Introducing the next generation of Mac”

Link with timestamp: [VIDEO] "we're not direct booting an alternate operating system, it's purely virtualization"

@vbezhenar2020 · in “Introducing the next generation of Mac”

Here's WWDC talk claiming that you can't: [VIDEO] I'm talking about ARM macs, not Intel ones.

@cercatrova2020 · in “Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon”

Presumably they are locked down. When asked about alternate OS, Craig Federighi said that it will be virtualization rather than booting other OS on the metal, ie Linux (and possibly Windows) VMs rather than Bootcamp. That's one of the big things stopping me from switching from the Intel version. [VIDEO]

@areoform2020 · in “macOS unable to open any non-Apple application”

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. [LINK] And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers. Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" ( [VIDEO] , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own. Except... Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to. Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to. Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to. It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade. --- edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird i

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@rudedogg2021 · in “OpenBSD boots multi-user on Apple M1 hardware”

They're quoting Craig Federighi: [VIDEO] I don't get the downvotes of the parent post, the interpretation is completely reasonable. The point is that Apple was very clear that they are only supporting macOS on their hardware.

@sigjuice2021 · in “Apple Helps Asahi Linux”

Is there another interview that goes into the details of Apple's boot setup goals? [VIDEO] In this one, Craig Federighi says “We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system. Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern.”